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Help me decide!

June 6th, 2009 by Bill Corbett · 58 Comments

I’m trying to choose a cheap animated “Baa Baa Black Sheep” from the Indian subcontinent that best suits my lifestyle.

OR?

I’m so torn! The first one is shorter and to the point.

The second one, on the other hand, has a certifiably terrifying sheep with a gigantic tongue.

So perhaps you can see my dilemma?

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58 responses so far ↓

  • 1 bullwinkle on Jun 6, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    snore…

  • 2 kt on Jun 6, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Is that second sheep talking about giving a bag of wool to a little boy who lives in a lake?

  • 3 Mystok on Jun 6, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Those are creepier than “Sleep Baby Sleep” from the movie Sleepstalker.

  • 4 Bill Corbett on Jun 6, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    That trick never works.

  • 5 Wesley Stamper on Jun 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    I couldn’t quite follow the chipmunk subplot in the first video.
    I liked the enthusiasm of the fellow at the beginning of the second video, but he disappeared quickly. Points were deducted for the black sheep’s arbitrary and unnecessary alteration of the song’s lyrics.

  • 6 rebisaz on Jun 6, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    I can see the difficulty. I would say, the first one, because while I appreciate a truly terrifying sheep as much as anyone, he doesn’t really follow through. If, however, scary sheep had suddenly turned and charged his interrogators, that would be a game-changer.

  • 7 euphoriafish on Jun 6, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    I vote for familiarity. Sudden Shouting Indian Guy in the second video is like an old friend to this blog! Plus, said video taught me much about art– namely, how to make sheep look Satanic, and how to draw eyes so that your characters induce nightmares. I must now apply this knowledge to making a cartoon that is SUPPOSED to be scary!

  • 8 Nick Fechter on Jun 6, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    For some reason, the second video reminds me of Menos: The Hands of Fate. I wonder why……….

  • 9 Bill Corbett on Jun 6, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    “Sudden Shouting Indian Guy in the second video is like an old friend to this blog!”

    True. I forgot to mention that S.S.I.G. was in this. It was like seeing a long lost pal… who shouts, suddenly, all the time.

  • 10 randommanthefirst on Jun 6, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Hmm, perhaps you could give me some clarification first.

    Are you in fact trying to use these videos to instruct small children on the proper use of goats and who their wool rightfully belongs to? Because the first video does earn points for friendliness and simplicity, which avoids nagging. The second earns a nod for its constant repitition, which would imply stupid children are watching and that they really need to learn a lesson on who deserves wool.

    On the other hand, if you are trying to use these videos to prepare small children as a vessel for the pagan goat lord, Baphomet, then the first definitely could deceive children with its innocence, but the second is clearly far more disturbing and would instill fear.

    Tough choice indeed.

  • 11 yanni576 on Jun 6, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Well, at first I was going to go with the first video, merely because the sheep is smoking, and that’s pretty sweet. But then I saw the Master in the second video, and it looked like he had smoked something also, and he’s got that hat going on, so I vote for the second one!

  • 12 randommanthefirst on Jun 6, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I think he said something about a boy living in someone named Elaine.

  • 13 Libby on Jun 6, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    There is so much delightful hideousness in the second video, it’s got my vote. Between the superbly enthusiastic voice acting, the reverent “spoken lines” in the midst of the song (even going so far as to reinterpret the vision of “Baa Baa Black Sheep” to place the little boy who lives down the lane as living *in* the lane, thus pointing to the necessity of charitable donations to those who have nothing), and the lovely staccato pace of the animation, there is no doubt in my mind the second video is the winner.

  • 14 mathey on Jun 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Yeah, I think the second one has my vote. Its got that certain je ne sais quoi. Or joie di vivre. Or maybe I’m thinking of Weltschmerz.

  • 15 Invisible NanoGhost on Jun 6, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    I’d vote for the first one. Life is scary enough without a closeup on a talking ram who is clearly pretty hopeless when it comes to lip-syncing. And why would you give wool to a boy who lives in a lane, thereby blocking traffic?

  • 16 Ryan on Jun 6, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    In the second video, apparently The Man In The Yellow Hat traded in that troublemaking monkey for a scary looking goat.

  • 17 Scooter on Jun 6, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    watch them with the sound off

    that should help.

    at least help with the decision. However, your ability to sleep may be hindered greatly

  • 18 CrowTeeRobot on Jun 6, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    I don’t seem to have an opinion, seeing as I can’t remember the last several hours, and am now apparently the leader of that cult from “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” The only real problem is forcing my fingers through the ribcage to pull out the heart, I tried going up and under the ribcage, but they said that was unacceptable. Thank you, Mr. Corbett!

  • 19 jfe on Jun 6, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Why do either of these suit your lifestyle, what kind of lifestyle do you have that has anything to do with sheep?

  • 20 Slager on Jun 6, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Menos: The Freshmaker!

  • 21 Stevo on Jun 6, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    I wrote my thesis at Yale partially on the narrative of racial oppression that is reinforced on people of color by this nursery rhyme. I find it very disturbing that South Asians, an oppressed with their history of racial oppression, would perpetuate such plantation caricatures.

    Shame on Rifftrax for spreading this.

  • 22 CrowTeeRobot on Jun 6, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Shut up, Pinko!

  • 23 Alex on Jun 6, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    It’s tough. The genuinely maniacal expression on, well…EVERY character in the second video is slightly worse than the indistinguishable species of every character in the first video.

    Can I just say, as an animator who has done more lip sync for cartoons than I would ever like to admit…lip sync is not hard. Not hard at all. No matter what language it’s in. All ya gotta do is listen to the audio use the right mouth for the right sound. The animator on that second video seems to think the characters are having mouth spasms.

  • 24 jenifersf on Jun 6, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    I thought the first one was the longest 1:12 of my life. Then I saw :38 of the second one, and it was even longer.

  • 25 Stacia on Jun 7, 2009 at 1:05 am

    When in doubt, tongue. It’s the Golden Rule.

  • 26 DoughyGuy on Jun 7, 2009 at 5:32 am

    I say the second one because of the rockin’ drum track… The melody is simplistic and plodding, but the percussion approaches a Neil Peart-esque level of intricacy.

  • 27 Alter on Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 am

    I wonder why the second song apparently has Mike Portnoy on drums. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but how appropriate is that for a nursery rhyme?

    Oh well, as appropriate as anything else in the video, I guess.

  • 28 CreepyGirl on Jun 7, 2009 at 6:46 am

    No, no. It’s for the little boy who lives in L.A….you know, wool capital of America.

  • 29 euphoriafish on Jun 7, 2009 at 8:09 am

    Yes, this.

  • 30 jenifersf on Jun 7, 2009 at 8:42 am

    No, the sheep is clearly referring to a boy who lives in Elaine, Arkansas.

  • 31 Sparkys Girl on Jun 7, 2009 at 8:42 am

    I vote for video 2. It has more of that please-gouge-my-eyes-out factor, than number 1 does.

  • 32 randmcnally on Jun 7, 2009 at 9:40 am

    The ram in the second version seems to have some beef to settle with the little boy. I like that one best.

  • 33 pjwaldron on Jun 7, 2009 at 10:53 am

    I didn’t like the way the sheep in the first one just chucked his bags of wool at the master, dame, and lane-boy. That seemed pretty rude. They all went to so much trouble to hustle out there and receive the bags, the least he could do is to hand them off nicely. I would say number two is more evocative of a polite, if slightly stoned (I’m looking at you, master’s dame), Midwestern lifestyle.

  • 34 thecausticvapors on Jun 7, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Definitely the 2nd video. The chipmunk in the first video was clearly just hanging out with the sheep so he could case old people’s houses.

    The sheep in the second video is clearly evil incarnate. The inconsistent use of sheep noises is a giveaway. Plus I think he’s been beating those people in the head with a lead pipe.

  • 35 Jana on Jun 7, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    “Baa Baa Black Sheep references the importance of the wool industry to the economy from the Middle Ages until the nineteenth century. The rhyme is also thought to be a political satire of the export tax imposed in Britain in 1275 under the rule of King Edward I.”

  • 36 Matt on Jun 7, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Ah, yes I see, it’s all clear now, the endless tithing to masters and dames, even to that damn kid up the lane, how’s a poor medieval sheep supposed to stay warm? WHEN WILL HE FIND PEACE???????

  • 37 Gates on Jun 7, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    The second one. Lou diamond Phillips made the whole thing come together.

  • 38 Kyle S on Jun 7, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Yeah, I’m fairly certain the chipmunk was only following him so he could steal the wool later. Or possible to shear the sheep after it fell asleep.

    Which of course clarifies why the chipmunk needs black wool at all: To knit a proper bandit’s disguise for himself.

  • 39 Chris D. on Jun 7, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    I’d go with the first one–you have to admire the chutzpah of the animators ripping off Disney’s Clarabell Cow and Geppetto like that.

    Were these made using the animation program in Mario Paint?

  • 40 Scarlett on Jun 7, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    At first, the pipe smoking sheep and the clearly shifty chipmunk had my vote, but the second one had the Suddenly Shouting Guy, a crowd favorite. That along with the other stoners with Suddenly Shouting Guy and said hideously insane weird sheep tongue makes it a nightmare inducing classic for the years to come.

  • 41 Montagthemagician on Jun 8, 2009 at 5:07 am

    Just how big is Elaine that she can fit a boy inside her and all that wool? Why didn’t they animate that part?

  • 42 Crash on Jun 8, 2009 at 5:27 am

    I’m surprised no one drew attention to that Freudian line of trees that appear briefly in the background of video #2, which by far makes it the more alarming of the two.

  • 43 Edgewriter on Jun 8, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Bill,

    What I want to know is how in the earth did you sit through both of those videos the first time. Why didn’t you stop watching after 10 seconds in? I mean it isn’t like MST3K or Rifftrax where you get paid to watch and make fun of it.

    I can only assume that this is the kind of thing you enjoy watching on youtube in your free time.

    Another good question is why did I sit through both of them? Why did I let Mr Bill Corbett’s recommendation cloud my judgment and keep watching. Why? WHY?

  • 44 Mike Finley on Jun 8, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Well, animated sheep are like pringles, it’s hard to stop at one. So I say embrace both. Give in and gorge yourself.

  • 45 Derekl999 on Jun 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    I appreciated the 2nd one much more than the 1st due to the vague GOTHY voice of the sheep … the cameo by curious george’s yellow hat guy, and the fact that the music seems to have been created by the ghost of Wesley Willis,

    Rock on Chicago … Wheaties, breakfast of champions!!

  • 46 Erica on Jun 8, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    I don’t know, Bill. I think the second one best suits your lifestyle. The first one is too Disney. But perhaps, you’ve already made a decision and my agonizing is for nothing…

  • 47 Splunge on Jun 8, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    I second CrowTeeRobot, only substitute “elitist” for “pinko”.

  • 48 awfulgoodmovies on Jun 9, 2009 at 10:35 am

    BILL !

    Have you made your decision!?

    I’ll not have a good night’s sheep..err SLEEP until you do!

  • 49 Melinda on Jun 9, 2009 at 11:56 am

    To add my two cents, I prefer my cartoon animals as anthropormorphized as possible (have you ever eaten “Skinny Cow” ice cream?), so I vote film #1.

  • 50 Cara on Jun 9, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Oh, help, no, stop singing…. STOP!!!

    They are both equally horrifying. But the first one is shorter and doesn’t have a scary looking sheep or people whose mouths move WAY more than they should, so I prefer that one.

  • 51 RetroPengo on Jun 9, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    The second one, definitely. Baa Baa Black Ship?

    I did not know ships could make sounds like that, and I wish to explore this. That and the seizure-inducing animation make the second one a dhkhlardbasdjlks.

  • 52 Cthulhubob on Jun 9, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    How?? How could India afford Gene Simmons to be the sheep in the second video. One lick from a foot away would convince anyone that he is the BLACK SHEEP.
    Hurray for Bollywood…

  • 53 euphoriafish on Jun 9, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    I can’t believe I didn’t notice sooner that of the children, Rhyma and Rhymie, in the second video the boy has a fauxhawk. Yeah. I looked up their names. But I’d still rather refer to Rhyme Man as Sudden Shouting Indian Guy.

    Anyway, boy’s fauxhawk = Extra points for hipster douchebaggery, so I think the choice should be obvious now.

  • 54 Krud on Jun 10, 2009 at 11:27 am

    What interests me is that the squirrel (in the first video) starts out trying to speak sheep (with “Baa Baa”) but quickly switches to English upon realizing, “Hey, this Sheep wears clothes and smokes, so he/she’s probably bilingual, too.” Also, I always assumed that the question indicated a desire on the singer’s part to purchase said wool. Which, not only do I fail to understand why a squirrel would want wool in the first place, but also what kind of answer is that? I suppose it’s more polite than just saying, “Yeah, I DO have wool, but not for you, so scram!” But did the sheep really have to divulge its client list? When I buy wool, I like to think it’s confidential, especially if I pre-ordered. And now I’ve officially given this far too much thought.

    As for the second one? After having read all the notes, I’m almost afraid to watch it now…

  • 55 Krud on Jun 10, 2009 at 11:35 am

    *finishes watching 2nd video*

    *waits for twitching to subside*

    Er, um. Yeah, definitely the first one. Unless you were sorely lacking in nightmare fuel. (Which I can’t imagine is the case, considering some of the RiffTrax you’ve commented on.)

  • 56 Contrast on Jun 12, 2009 at 12:13 am

    Ahh….

    *brain ’splodes*

    The first one made me want to eat squirrels and push the sheep over.

    The second however made me want to hide and shoot the characters with paint balls room a safe distance.

    So all i’m trying to say is, choose the one that depending on the scare factor. Number 1 for downright weird, while number 2 for frightening demon sheep.

  • 57 Ian on Jun 21, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    1st = Win

    2nd directed by Joel Schumacher

  • 58 Isaiah on Aug 17, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    I prefer the second, if only to know that the cartoon version of Jackie Chan is finding work in “veejaying” Indian-produced nursery songs.